PBA(Parrot Beak Asil/Aseel) USA, Project(And Discussion Thread)

[MysteryChicken]

The Silver Dun Partridge Malay pullet should start laying sometime this month.

 

[Rock17]

what gamefowl are you using to create the parrot beaked? Are they only malays or is their other breeds involved? Love this Idea

 

[MysteryChicken]

what gamefowl are you using to create the parrot beaked? Are they only malays or is their other breeds involved? Love this Idea

I'm using Malays only.

 

[troyer]

Someone for some reason still thinks Long is a mix due to his daughters laying colored eggs, though I know he's pure. He's got the double preen glands, which are a unique recessive trait that Oriental Gamefowl usually have. If he were a mix he wouldn't have that feature. View attachment 3766690Only a small percentage of Orientals won't have it, it also depends on variety/strain.

As someone that has seen hundreds of orientals, pure Malays included, Long doesn't have the characteristics of a full blooded Malay. The comb alone doesn't constitute purity.

If he was hatched from a mixed flock, even assuming the residing Malay (Goliath) was the the dominant breeder there is no absolute proof that Long is full Malay. The only way be sure of purebred breeding is to have all individuals separated a minimum of four weeks, preferably six weeks to ensure proper cleansing.

Another thing to consider is that siblings don't naturally mate with each. If they have the option of mating with others that are not siblings they will. How would I know? In 30 years of breeding chickens there are a few things that are observed.

You are allowed to believe long is pure Malay, we are just stating our observations based on hands-on experience. I also have had people tell me certain of my birds aren't pure for what I stated them as, I can only go by what the breeder told me that I got them from.

A full blooded Malay has a very distinct look, most birds that are called Malay here in the US don't have the pure Malay look. There are some that do, for instance, Goliath and his sister have the distinct Malay look, Long does not. This is why there are still some of us that think Long is a cross. Does that make sense?

 

[MysteryChicken]

As someone that has seen hundreds of orientals, pure Malays included, Long doesn't have the characteristics of a full blooded Malay. The comb alone doesn't constitute purity.

If he was hatched from a mixed flock, even assuming the residing Malay (Goliath) was the the dominant breeder there is no absolute proof that Long is full Malay. The only way be sure of purebred breeding is to have all individuals separated a minimum of four weeks, preferably six weeks to ensure proper cleansing.

Another thing to consider is that siblings don't naturally mate with each. If they have the option of mating with others that are not siblings they will. How would I know? In 30 years of breeding chickens there are a few things that are observed.

You are allowed to believe long is pure Malay, we are just stating our observations based on hands-on experience. I also have had people tell me certain of my birds aren't pure for what I stated them as, I can only go by what the breeder told me that I got them from.

A full blooded Malay has a very distinct look, most birds that are called Malay here in the US don't have the pure Malay look. There are some that do, for instance, Goliath and his sister have the distinct Malay look, Long does not. This is why there are still some of us that think Long is a cross. Does that make sense?

What type of Malay are you referring too anyway? Cuz these aren't the American type which I have already made clear. Indian Malays vary in appearance, & type.
Imported, & un-tampered with for years.

Yeah, I know how long it can take for another roosters sperm takes to be used up by a hen. But I've already shown my only Easter Egger rooster is Silver with Autosomal Red.

My Malay rooster who died had the same shape comb as Long but it stood out more, & fatter.

Comparing pure Indian to American Malay make no sense, cuz they're completely two different varieties. One variety is the way they're supposed to be, & the other is ruined by picky people.

Here's how much Aseel breeds can vary in appearance. This is Desi which has great range of variation.

 

[MysteryChicken]

Goliath and his sister have the distinct Malay look,

Goliath doesn't have a sister.

Long does which is a tiny infertile Dwarf. She turns 2 this year.

 

[MysteryChicken]

@troyer
Better update pictures of Long. He's still growing, & shaping.

 

[troyer]

@troyer
Better update pictures of Long. He's still growing, & shaping.View attachment 3766891View attachment 3766893View attachment 3766894View attachment 3766895

He's a good looking rooster for sure.

 

[troyer]

Someone for some reason still thinks Long is a mix due to his daughters laying colored eggs, though I know he's pure. He's got the double preen glands, which are a unique recessive trait that Oriental Gamefowl usually have. If he were a mix he wouldn't have that feature. View attachment 3766690Only a small percentage of Orientals won't have it, it also depends on variety/strain.

That is quite unique, do either of his parents show it?
It would be interesting to note whether it could be consistently selected for.

 

[MysteryChicken]

He's a good looking rooster for sure.

He is.

My Single Combed Malay boy looks like he may have a thick mane of hackles like Long once he's done maturing. He's a tad bit on the fluffy side as well.

He's maturing into pearl eyes.