Dying quail

[chickchickgoose]

Our quail are dying. It seems to come in spurts of two.

We started with a total of 40 quail at the beginning of November. We culled 3 know roo at that time. Now the quail won't stop dying. We've been losing at least 2 a week.

Things that are important to know.

They are on kalmbach wild flush which is 28% protein. It doesn't have grit in it.

It's cold here, they are in an 8 by 8 shed with straw bedding, and the top of a dog crate do huddle in if they are too cold. However, yesterday we put a heat lamp out (they can't get to it) it see if that may help. I don't think it's the cold though as they have been dying on warm days too.

The shed has 7" ceilings so I don't think they are breaking their necks.

I am not positive of the age but my best guess is this years hatch since the person we purchased from wanted to get rid if them before winter.

We did find that there were quite a few roos so we culled more but still have had deaths since.

My husband said one was twitchy and others were attacking it. By time I checked on it, it was dead.

Another was being picked on, so I separated it right away. It seemed like she was eating and drinking fine for 2 days. She seemed alert and nothing seemed amiss so I was going to put her back. She was dead when I went back out.

Those are the only two times something seemed off. Other than that, no symptoms at all. No blood, no feathers laying around. No marks at all.

We did have a really hard time keeping their water clean because the only heated waterer I could find is for chickens, so they would constantly walk in it and poop in it, but we changed it out for a heated nipple waterer that they have learned to use.

We put a tin of sand in with them for enrichment and grit (which I read they don't even need so long as they are only on crumble) just in case.

The one that died today was near the heat source.

If you read this far, thank you. I'd appreciate any input I can get.

I did consider a necropsy but it is $200 for a birds I purchased for $2 a piece and also several hours away from where we live.

 

[Nabiki]

@007Sean may have more ideas than I do.

Does their poop look normal?
Is their feed kept in a cool, dry, place?

 

[chickchickgoose]

@007Sean may have more ideas than I do.

Does their poop look normal?
Is their feed kept in a cool, dry, place?

To be honest I don't know what it is suppose to look like but it seems normal. It is honestly hard to tell if it is runny because of the straw. Sometime there is whitish poop. The one that I separated appeared to have normal poop. Maybe lighter than some of the other droppings I've seen.

Their food is kept in the shed with them. So it stays dry.

 

[Nabiki]

How long ago did you change your watering system?

I'm wondering if it's coccidiosis, but that will usually show symptoms in their poop.

Itight be worth it to get the necropsy if it saves your covey and prevents future issues.

 

[chickchickgoose]

How long ago did you change your watering system?

I'm wondering if it's coccidiosis, but that will usually show symptoms in their poop.

Itight be worth it to get the necropsy if it saves your covey and prevents future issues.

We changed it about 3 days ago. I thought maybe coccidiosis too but their feed is medicated.

I do wonder if it maybe ulcerative enteritis but I'm not sure how that plays out in a flock.

 

[Nabiki]

I wonder if the medication in the feed is the issue. I have never used medicated feed because I have heard too many recommendations against it from experienced quail keepers.

I would try to find a non medicated feed and see if that makes a difference. When 007Sean replies, he will probably have more and better advice.

 

[chickchickgoose]

I wonder if the medication in the feed is the issue. I have never used medicated feed because I have heard too many recommendations against it from experienced quail keepers.

I would try to find a non medicated feed and see if that makes a difference. When 007Sean replies, he will probably have more and better advice.

I always steered clear of it for the chickens. Actually didn't realize it was medicated until I went in to purchase medicated feed just in case of coccidiosis. That's when I found out.

I really appreciate you taking time to try to help me out. I do know necropsy is the best way to find out but it's hard to justify $200 on birds we spent $80 total on and aren't positive of the ages.

It probably sounds harsh but it's our reality at the moment.

 

[Nabiki]

I always steered clear of it for the chickens. Actually didn't realize it was medicated until I went in to purchase medicated feed just in case of coccidiosis. That's when I found out.

I really appreciate you taking time to try to help me out. I do know necropsy is the best way to find out but it's hard to justify $200 on birds we spent $80 total on and aren't positive of the ages.

It probably sounds harsh but it's our reality at the moment.

I understand not wanting to spend the money for the necropsy. Everyone has their circumstances and reasons. I'm not about to judge, at least.

I'm going to keep an eye on this thread and see how things develop. I'm sure we'll both learn something.

 

[007Sean]

From what I can decifer, I would have to suspect UE, Ulcerative Enteritus, also known as Quail disease....especially if you bought them from a "breeder" instead of hatching them out yourself. UE is primarily found in Bobwhites but other species of quail can get the disease.

If you have read anything about UE and it sounds as if you have researched it, it kills very fast...symptoms are, yellowish diarrhea, fluffed up appearance, lethargic, and when they expire there will usually be a fair amount of yellowish urate feces next to the body (from my own experiences with UE).

Treatment should be started immediately, Tetracycline, Oxytetracycline, Duramycin, Bacitracin and Streptomycin are the usual drugs given....Duramycin and Bacitracin you can get without a 'script' from a vet. They can be found at most feed stores.

Contaminated dirty waterers, feed pans/trays that have fecal matter in them are the usual vector for UE to thrive. Once it has a host, it spreads like 'wildfire' through a flock, so it's very important to start treatment ASAP!

I wish you the best if luck!

 

[chickchickgoose]

From what I can decifer, I would have to suspect UE, Ulcerative Enteritus, also known as Quail disease....especially if you bought them from a "breeder" instead of hatching them out yourself. UE is primarily found in Bobwhites but other species of quail can get the disease.

If you have read anything about UE and it sounds as if you have researched it, it kills very fast...symptoms are, yellowish diarrhea, fluffed up appearance, lethargic, and when they expire there will usually be a fair amount of yellowish urate feces next to the body (from my own experiences with UE).

Treatment should be started immediately, Tetracycline, Oxytetracycline, Duramycin, Bacitracin and Streptomycin are the usual drugs given....Duramycin and Bacitracin you can get without a 'script' from a vet. They can be found at most feed stores.

Contaminated dirty waterers, feed pans/trays that have fecal matter in them are the usual vector for UE to thrive. Once it has a host, it spreads like 'wildfire' through a flock, so it's very important to start treatment ASAP!

I wish you the best if luck!

In your experience how quickly does it spread and cause death. Does the timeline sound about right. I've never seen anything next to them and haven't noticed yellowish diarrhea. I have noticed they fluff up but I figured that could be to stay warm.

Would it hurt to treat them anyway? I didn't purchase from a breeder if that makes a difference. It was a family friend who runs a pumpkin patch and didn't want to keep them over winter. I'm not sure if that's important or not.

I will note that that the one that passed today looked like it had wet feathers by its vent. It was a lighter bird and the wetness had no color unless it was whitish. I kept it to look at better tomorrow.

Weird question but you've been quite helpful. Have tried to examine one for UE? If so was it quite noticeable when you opened it up?

I really appreciate the help.