Changing City Ordinance to be more Restrictive

[HotmessHomestead]

I live in Tigard, OR and the poultry/livestock city codes went from "No limit on birds & roosters ok, but they must be housed and kept at least 100' from neighboring houses at all times. No livestock." to having no restrictions at all, all poultry/livestock ok about two years ago.

We are in an older neighborhood on a large corner lot (for the city, about 1/4 acre?) When we kept chickens about 7/8 years ago we had one neighbor that loved them and bought eggs initially, but as soon as we had a disagreement about how we were replacing our fence that is along our shared property line (chainlink to match all our other fences vs expensive cedar, good neighbor fence) a light switched and he has been coming after us ever since for whatever he can. He stopped for a couple years after we had our attorney send a case and desist because he was photographing and video taping our kids every time they were outside. Our entire flock died, one or two at a time, with no prior signs of illness and no evidence of a predator, within about a month of that. We suspected he may have been tossing poison over the fence, but had no proof.

We started a new flock two years ago. He has been back at his favorite retirement activity, filing complaint after complaint with the city. We are not in violation of any city codes per the code compliance officer. He has now taken it to the City Council and Mayor. He is apparently being put on a citizen board to review and possibly change the current ordinance (I am waiting to hear back from the Mayor for confirmation on this.)

Have you been anywhere they went backwards with the ordinances? Do you have links to studies on the benefits of urban homesteading and the keeping of poultry/livestock within the city? Tips on how I can keep our current city codes? Even if we are grandfathered in, I do not want the codes to change and go backwards!

We have two rabbits, two Nigerian Dwarf goats, chickens, ducks and quail. Living on a large corner, we have several people stop by and watch the animals. I have already had at least ten people send in support letters discussing why they enjoy our little urban homestead (this includes some other neighbors.) I have submitted public comment and will be speaking at the next council meeting.

*His current complaint is rats and it being a public safety issue. He is saying our yard is a breeding ground for rats and bugs. The code compliance officer came out last week and said he saw no such evidence and that we were doing more than enough as prevention goes. Our coop/run is surrounded on all sides (ground included) with 1/4" hardware cloth. We do not leave any food out and instead offer a few scoops twice a day, an amount they clean up in under ten minutes (they free range also.) We limit water sources. We have our own traps out and also work with a pest control company to set out bait boxes. The coop is clean and the code compliance officer reported there is no smell.

 

[Cmad719]

I live in Tigard, OR and the poultry/livestock city codes went from "No limit on birds & roosters ok, but they must be housed and kept at least 100' from neighboring houses at all times. No livestock." to having no restrictions at all, all poultry/livestock ok about two years ago.

We are in an older neighborhood on a large corner lot (for the city, about 1/4 acre?) When we kept chickens about 7/8 years ago we had one neighbor that loved them and bought eggs initially, but as soon as we had a disagreement about how we were replacing our fence that is along our shared property line (chainlink to match all our other fences vs expensive cedar, good neighbor fence) a light switched and he has been coming after us ever since for whatever he can. He stopped for a couple years after we had our attorney send a case and desist because he was photographing and video taping our kids every time they were outside. Our entire flock died, one or two at a time, with no prior signs of illness and no evidence of a predator, within about a month of that. We suspected he may have been tossing poison over the fence, but had no proof.

We started a new flock two years ago. He has been back at his favorite retirement activity, filing complaint after complaint with the city. We are not in violation of any city codes per the code compliance officer. He has now taken it to the City Council and Mayor. He is apparently being put on a citizen board to review and possibly change the current ordinance (I am waiting to hear back from the Mayor for confirmation on this.)

Have you been anywhere they went backwards with the ordinances? Do you have links to studies on the benefits of urban homesteading and the keeping of poultry/livestock within the city? Tips on how I can keep our current city codes? Even if we are grandfathered in, I do not want the codes to change and go backwards!

We have two rabbits, two Nigerian Dwarf goats, chickens, ducks and quail. Living on a large corner, we have several people stop by and watch the animals. I have already had at least ten people send in support letters discussing why they enjoy our little urban homestead (this includes some other neighbors.) I have submitted public comment and will be speaking at the next council meeting.

*His current complaint is rats and it being a public safety issue. He is saying our yard is a breeding ground for rats and bugs. The code compliance officer came out last week and said he saw no such evidence and that we were doing more than enough as prevention goes. Our coop/run is surrounded on all sides (ground included) with 1/4" hardware cloth. We do not leave any food out and instead offer a few scoops twice a day, an amount they clean up in under ten minutes (they free range also.) We limit water sources. We have our own traps out and also work with a pest control company to set out bait boxes. The coop is clean and the code compliance officer reported there is no smell.

So, firstly if your chickens are not a public health threat (chickens and humans have lived side by side for thousands of years), ordinances (codes) are not law, Peterson v. Peterson, USC. Your Township and supervisors and complaining neighbor may be working in concert to deny, suppress or infringe and violate your civil Rights to enjoy your private property and raise your own food. They must also follow due process (in their kangaroo court). The code enforcer may be be required to have an Oath of Office.
Consult a civil rights attorney and send all parties a Lawful Notification regarding a Title 42 Sectiin 1983-85 any Rights infringement to deny and suppress your freedoms and liberties for your protected rights under US and state constitutions. Also besides putting THEM on notice, require proof of Oaths of Office (an oath swearing to uohold your protected Rights), as that is Law. If they do not have those sworn. Signed and filed, they are impersonating a public official. They live handing out citations but run from federal court summons
My Township Supervisors resigned before we were done suing them in court, along with the solicitors, and code enforcers. My brother is a lawyer, so that helped.
P.S. The fight is not for the faint of heart, but well worth your freedom. I now do not require any silly permits to occupy, improve or do anything on my private property that has No Tresspassing signs.
Good luck

 

[cavemanrich]

How long before neighbor susceptibility to reaching room temperature naturally??

 

[KansasLarry]

We live in a small town (population 113) in central Kansas. In the middle of farm country. City ordinance states "no farm animals within city limits."
We presented a petition, signed by 37 residents, for the right to raise chickens and rabbits for food. Our petition was denied by the City Council.
Three residents established a coop and run on property that the Mayor told us was outside city limits. One individual who does not live within the city but pays taxes here has brought it to the attention of the Mayor that he was wrong. The property IS within city limits and this person demands that he have us remove our chickens.
Thank you for your information,. It has led us to contact a Civil Rights Lawyer and hope to find some justice in this issue. I am unwilling to give up without due process.

 

[mickeyminnie]

I live in Tigard, OR and the poultry/livestock city codes went from "No limit on birds & roosters ok, but they must be housed and kept at least 100' from neighboring houses at all times. No livestock." to having no restrictions at all, all poultry/livestock ok about two years ago.

We are in an older neighborhood on a large corner lot (for the city, about 1/4 acre?) When we kept chickens about 7/8 years ago we had one neighbor that loved them and bought eggs initially, but as soon as we had a disagreement about how we were replacing our fence that is along our shared property line (chainlink to match all our other fences vs expensive cedar, good neighbor fence) a light switched and he has been coming after us ever since for whatever he can. He stopped for a couple years after we had our attorney send a case and desist because he was photographing and video taping our kids every time they were outside. Our entire flock died, one or two at a time, with no prior signs of illness and no evidence of a predator, within about a month of that. We suspected he may have been tossing poison over the fence, but had no proof.

We started a new flock two years ago. He has been back at his favorite retirement activity, filing complaint after complaint with the city. We are not in violation of any city codes per the code compliance officer. He has now taken it to the City Council and Mayor. He is apparently being put on a citizen board to review and possibly change the current ordinance (I am waiting to hear back from the Mayor for confirmation on this.)

Have you been anywhere they went backwards with the ordinances? Do you have links to studies on the benefits of urban homesteading and the keeping of poultry/livestock within the city? Tips on how I can keep our current city codes? Even if we are grandfathered in, I do not want the codes to change and go backwards!

We have two rabbits, two Nigerian Dwarf goats, chickens, ducks and quail. Living on a large corner, we have several people stop by and watch the animals. I have already had at least ten people send in support letters discussing why they enjoy our little urban homestead (this includes some other neighbors.) I have submitted public comment and will be speaking at the next council meeting.

*His current complaint is rats and it being a public safety issue. He is saying our yard is a breeding ground for rats and bugs. The code compliance officer came out last week and said he saw no such evidence and that we were doing more than enough as prevention goes. Our coop/run is surrounded on all sides (ground included) with 1/4" hardware cloth. We do not leave any food out and instead offer a few scoops twice a day, an amount they clean up in under ten minutes (they free range also.) We limit water sources. We have our own traps out and also work with a pest control company to set out bait boxes. The coop is clean and the code compliance officer reported there is no smell.

Most people have issues in the city with neighbors if they can see your hens. Hens should always be behind 6 feet privacy fencing. Here in Texas, almost all the homes have cedar, pine 6 feet fencing. As long as they can be seen, they are open to complaint and even theft. I could not imagine having a backyard with no privacy.

 

[KansasLarry]

We live in a small town (population 113) in central Kansas. In the middle of farm country. City ordinance states "no farm animals within city limits."
We presented a petition, signed by 37 residents, for the right to raise chickens and rabbits for food. Our petition was denied by the City Council.
Three residents established a coop and run on property that the Mayor told us was outside city limits. One individual who does not live within the city but pays taxes here has brought it to the attention of the Mayor that he was wrong. The property IS within city limits and this person demands that he have us remove our chickens.
Thank you for your information,. It has led us to contact a Civil Rights Lawyer and hope to find some justice in this issue. I am unwilling to give up without due process.

 

[Mammy of 8]

Did you ever just bring him a dozen eggs? Love overcomes many things. If he has children, or grandchildren, invite them to come over and see the chickens, and let them gather some eggs too....works like a charm! You can also just approach him and say you want to work things out and ask him for his help. You may be surprised how he reacts to genuine kindness, so forgive him in your heart and go talk to him. Be sure to not bring up any accusations, just move forward and listen to him.

Jay

I have a neighbor who is suing us over our roosters. I did try to give him some eggs. Tried to compromise but he wants all my roosters gone. I raise chickens myself and my grandkids love helping. I even tried being nicer. But he used multiple profanities in front of my grandkids and called me ugly names. The town, two police officers, the fire marshal who investigated and found no violations and the animal control officer told him to deal or move. Now I’m facing a costly lawsuit. Daughter is setting up a go fund me page. He has caused problems with all his neighbors. He wants it his way only. He even doused a neighbors grill cause he didn’t like the smell. He is a bully. He also is an English teacher.

 

[jthebaptist]

Hate to say this but for whatever reason a bug climbed up your neighbors ass. You can only find some common ground. Find out what is really bothering him. You both got along before, just can't see it being the fence. Ask him if he would be happy if you but cedar between yours and his but leave the front open. Find a solution before it escalates anymore.

 

[KansasLarry]

I live in Tigard, OR and the poultry/livestock city codes went from "No limit on birds & roosters ok, but they must be housed and kept at least 100' from neighboring houses at all times. No livestock." to having no restrictions at all, all poultry/livestock ok about two years ago.

We are in an older neighborhood on a large corner lot (for the city, about 1/4 acre?) When we kept chickens about 7/8 years ago we had one neighbor that loved them and bought eggs initially, but as soon as we had a disagreement about how we were replacing our fence that is along our shared property line (chainlink to match all our other fences vs expensive cedar, good neighbor fence) a light switched and he has been coming after us ever since for whatever he can. He stopped for a couple years after we had our attorney send a case and desist because he was photographing and video taping our kids every time they were outside. Our entire flock died, one or two at a time, with no prior signs of illness and no evidence of a predator, within about a month of that. We suspected he may have been tossing poison over the fence, but had no proof.

We started a new flock two years ago. He has been back at his favorite retirement activity, filing complaint after complaint with the city. We are not in violation of any city codes per the code compliance officer. He has now taken it to the City Council and Mayor. He is apparently being put on a citizen board to review and possibly change the current ordinance (I am waiting to hear back from the Mayor for confirmation on this.)

Have you been anywhere they went backwards with the ordinances? Do you have links to studies on the benefits of urban homesteading and the keeping of poultry/livestock within the city? Tips on how I can keep our current city codes? Even if we are grandfathered in, I do not want the codes to change and go backwards!

We have two rabbits, two Nigerian Dwarf goats, chickens, ducks and quail. Living on a large corner, we have several people stop by and watch the animals. I have already had at least ten people send in support letters discussing why they enjoy our little urban homestead (this includes some other neighbors.) I have submitted public comment and will be speaking at the next council meeting.

*His current complaint is rats and it being a public safety issue. He is saying our yard is a breeding ground for rats and bugs. The code compliance officer came out last week and said he saw no such evidence and that we were doing more than enough as prevention goes. Our coop/run is surrounded on all sides (ground included) with 1/4" hardware cloth. We do not leave any food out and instead offer a few scoops twice a day, an amount they clean up in under ten minutes (they free range also.) We limit water sources. We have our own traps out and also work with a pest control company to set out bait boxes. The coop is clean and the code compliance officer reported there is no smell.

So sorry this is happening to you. Life is difficult enough without dealing with a psycho neighbor. Sounds like you've done everything possible to comply with all but the neighbor who appears to be bullying. Sounds like maybe arbitration would be a good move. Some cities have mediators you can go to with an issue. Call the city Mayor's office or Clerk of Court. If he's killing your chickens it's more than harassment, it's criminal. If it happens again and a chicken dies take it to your local University and have it autopsied. https://www.wikihow.com/Deal-with-Bullying-Neighbours

 

[littlecoopnextdoor]

Oh and he is over 200 feet away with woods in between.

he sounds completely unreasonable. Take statements from neighbours and write everything down (incidents) to strengthen your case. I doubt he'll win.