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Quote: I think the best thing you can do is just to know that it might be necessary at one time or another - more often the more involved you get in raising chickens. And to decide ahead of time on your method. It is all the more heart-wrenching to have a suffering bird before you, who needs...

I will not give someone advice that I feel is irresponsible or wrong or that is contrary to what I feel is the very best thing to do for their flock. What each person does is entirely up to him/her, but you won't get sugarcoating from speckledhen. I love that about you!

Quote: I would not necessarily expect them to have started laying yet. I think around 23 or 24 weeks is completely normal for a large bird. Give it a few more weeks before you get too concerned. Are you seeing any signs? Egg song? A lot of squatting?